Monday, 10 October 2011

Grandparents Ethel Cartwright and Ernest Robertshaw part 1

My grandparents on my mother's side were Ethel Cartwright and Ernest Robertshaw.  My mother lived at the family house in Hays Street, Rastrick along with her seven siblings: Irene, Cora, Nelly, Douglas, Keith, Joyce and Melvyn (in order of age).  My mother, Mavis, was the 4th child to be born into the family.  The living accommodation was two up and two down, so eight children used to sleep in one bedroom.
Ernest Booth was born in 1887 and died in 1943 at the age of 56.  During the war he was gas-poisoned and had one lung removed.  His trade was a barber, whose business premises was on the ground floor of their home.  He was a bit of a character, by all accounts, and liked a drink.  He spent a lot of time in the Greyhound, opposite their home.  My mother used to work in the shop when she was young, cutting up pieces of newspaper strips for her father to wipe his knife on.  She used to stand on a stool and collect the soiled paper from him when used.  The newspaper cuttings were counted so as to check how many customers visited the shop.
Each of the daughters had their turn as 'the lather girl', work experience before they went out to earn a living.  The sisters had to stand on the stool next to the customer and lather the customer up ready for hia shave.  At Christmas, their dad published a big sign on the mirror in the shop saying "look after our lather girl" with a box next to the mirror for contributions.  Sadly, the lather girl never received any Christmas box!  It all went to the pub.  This tradition continued right up until Joyce took up the batton as lather girl!

12 comments:

  1. Hi Hilary,
    I discovered your blog as I've been retracing my own family history lately. I'm Helen Robertshaw, Martin Robertshaw's daughter and Keith Robertshaw is my grandfather. My Dad was saying recently that he wanted to find out more about his grandparents but all he knew was that his grandfather was called Ernest and he was a barber. That led me to your blog through a Google search! I'm so glad I made this discovery; it has been fascinating to read about Ernest and Ethel and even see some pictures of Ethel. Thanks so much for sharing!
    All the best,
    Helen

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  2. I am really pleased that you have found this. I am very excited!!! I would be very glad if you could join this blog as a contributor and add your own pieces of this family history. There is so much I don't know about your grandfather, for instance. How is he? Mum keeps asking about him, wondering how he is. I only get tiny bits of family history from mum when she's in a lucid and talkative mood. Do you have any photos to share too? It would be fantastic if you do. I have many other photos, too, which I will gradually be posting up. Thanks for getting in touch.

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  3. Hi Hilary,
    My grandpa Keith has Alzheimer's disease unfortunately, so his memory is rather hazy, although I think he still remembers things from his distant past. I don't think he spoke much about his childhood when my Dad was little. He was in the RAF during the war and there are photos at their house of him in his uniform. He had three children with my Grandma Joyce (as you probably know): Martin (my Dad), John, and Caroline (who died a few years ago).

    I live in France now so I don't get to see my family as often as I would like. I'll ask about some photos when I return to Yorkshire at Christmas time. Let's keep in touch; I think my Dad would love to hear from you too and share some of these memories (I've sent him the link to your blog). He can also tell you more about Grandpa Keith.
    Best Wishes, Helen

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  4. Hi Helen, Yes I know Uncle Keith has Alzheimer's disease. Joyce told my mum some time ago, before she went into a care home. My mum suffers from dimentia, which is very similar, and her memories of the distant past are better than what happened yesterday!
    I heard about Caroline's death a while after. News travels slowly within the Robertshaw family. I felt very sad to hear this. The last time I saw her she was a little girl of about 4.
    So you live in France - amazing - how did you end up there? Cousin Diane (Uncle Douglas' daughter moved to France some time ago. Do you know of her?
    Yes, we must keep in touch. And as I said, I would be very happy if you could, when you have time, contribute to the blog. I have been trying to get my own children to use it too. I am pleased you have sent the link to your dad. I look forward to hearing from him. It's a shame I am not here at Christmas - it is my turn to visit my children down south. I do alternate years up here. Christmas is so complicated.
    Look forward to hearing from you and seeing your entries in the family blog! Best wishes, Hilary

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  5. Hi again Hilary,
    Yes, I will try to glean some more info from Granny Joyce and Grandpa Keith at Christmas and add any anecdotes to the blog. Do you have any more photos of Ethel, and any of Ernest? Also, what was Auntie Cora like? I remember hearing her mentioned when I was a child. Is she still alive?
    I studied languages at university (French and Italian) and came to Paris to work after graduation. I live and work here as a freelance translator now. Dad may have mentioned Diane before, but I don't know much about her. Which part of France does she live in? There seems to be a languages gene in the Robertshaw family. Grandpa Keith was fascinated by languages and had a natural flair for them but never had the opportunity to pursue his studies. My sister also studied languages at university, and so did James Robertshaw (John's son).
    Whereabouts do you live? Have you stayed in West Yorkshire? Helen

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  6. Hi Helen, I have just added a photo of Ethel when she was 18. At first I thought she was dressed in fancy dress just for the photo, but Mum said that it was her actual dress, albeit her best frock! I am gradually putting in more photos as I get them scanned. I haven't a scanner at home.
    I think your talent for languages doesn't extend to this branch of the family. I studied French for 5 years at school and never went past Pitmans elementary! I have been teaching myself Italian and haven't really got very far. My parents never spoke any other languages, and my sister has forgotten her school French, which she got a GCE in.
    I haven't seen Diane since Uncle Melvyn came over in the late 70s (I think!). I don't know where in France she lives but the last time I heard about her, she divorced her first husband and moved there with her second husband. I will try and find out as my cousin Jean (Auntie Nelly's daughter) has kept in touch with them I believe.
    Do you have a brother? What is your sister's name? And has John only got the one child? I don't know much at all about my cousins and second cousins. It is really interesting hearing your news.
    Keep an eye on the blog as I will gradually put more on here.

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  7. Hi Hilary,
    Hang in there with the Italian; starting a new language is always the hardest part but it's worth it in the end.
    I don't have a brother, I just have one sister, Vicky (Victoria officially), who is three years younger than me and lives in London. John has four children: John, James, Anna and Laura. I didn't really see John's children when we were growing up as they lived in Kent. Caroline had four children too: Thomas, Olivia, Joshua and Georgina. How old are your children?
    Thanks for uploading the photo of Ethel in her best frock! I'll keep an eye on the blog and tell my dad to do the same.

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  8. Hi Helen,

    Yes, it is hard work learning Italian and I don't seem to progress. Things keep getting in the way, like work! And now I've started this project, which is very time-consuming, especially as I'm a novice at blogging.
    Does John still live in Kent then? And his children - they must be all grown up now. And Caroline's children - do they all live in Yorkshire? How old are they?
    I have a daughter (the oldest) living in Kent with my first grandson, Alex (15), who is an English teacher, like me. She is more successful though and is head of department. I also have three sons: Zac (37)(name Zafer originally!) works for a publishing company in London; Tamer, who got married to Kerrie this year (a grand occasion!), is 34 and works for a computer company. They have two children: Kieran aged 3 and Nyah 1. Finally, my youngest, Metin (31) who is manager for a shoe company in the City. Metin has an apartment in Croydon which he shares with his brother Zac.
    I do hope we will eventually meet! Please feel free to add your own pieces to this blog. It's hard work on my own!!!
    Auntie Cora died in Bath in the early 90s. She was a lovely outgoing personality. Mum used to go and stay with her a lot when she lived in Bath, towards the end of her life, after her husband, Uncle Joe died. I have very many pictures of Cora, which will gradually appear on this site. She was a hairdresser all of her career, being her own boss. At first, she went to people's houses to do their hair. Eventually, she had her own shop. I intend to contact Christine, her only child,in the hope she, and her children, will help with this blog. She has two grown up sons,Matthew and Dominic, one who is successful in broadcasting.
    That's it for now. More to come!

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  9. Sorry, Helen, the last entry rambled on a bit!

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  10. Hi Hilary,
    I hope you're well and had a good Christmas and New Year. I went home for ten days to spend some time with my family. Unfortunately, Granny Joyce hasn't been well and is in hospital so we visited her a few times. Grandpa Keith was alright at Christmas and ate his Christmas dinner with us. But unfortunately, just after Christmas, he had a fall at home and ended up in hospital too. My parents rang me this evening to tell me he died this afternoon. So I just wanted to let you know; I had no other way of contacting you other than through this blog.
    It's sad news but I take comfort from the fact that he enjoyed his last Christmas. He was reminiscing about the war and the RAF and he also mentioned his mother Ethel, saying she was "lovely, and lived only for her family".
    Best Wishes,
    Helen

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  11. Thanks very much for your message. Yes, I am very sorry and sad to hear the news. I heard a little while ago from my sister, who had been phoned by Auntie Joyce in Morecombe. My mother is unfortunately in hospital. She had a fall 4 days ago and broke her wrist. It was suspected she had broken her hip too, but fortunately it was not the case. We are going to have to tell her about Uncle Keith tomorrow. I don't know how she'll take it as she's been saying she wanted to visit her brother for some time now. She's often asked about him of course.
    It was good to hear you all enjoyed a good Christmas together and it makes me smile when you read he talked of his mother Ethel in the same way that mum does - that she was so selfless looking after her family.
    Sorry to hear about Auntie Joyce too....my love goes out to her in this difficult time. She has always been so warm and generous towards me.
    Will you be coming over for the funeral? If so, we will meet then. My commiserations to you and your family. X

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  12. Hello Hilary,
    Thanks for your reply. We are not sure there will be a funeral because apparently grandpa Keith said in his will he didn't want one and has left his body to medical science. My dad would at some point like to organise a celebration of his life, at a local pub or something. We'll keep you posted (by the way, my parents' phone number is 01924 387453, if you ever needed to get in touch). With granny Joyce being so ill though, I don't think they'll be organising anything just yet.
    My commiserations to you also, and your mum. xx

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